Comments on: The Random Update http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/ Exploring the Craft of Science Fiction and Fantasy Writing Sat, 04 Feb 2012 15:41:55 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: Durmiun/Jason http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1062 Durmiun/Jason Thu, 04 Oct 2007 12:02:08 +0000 http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1062 hrmm.. I almost think he'd have to be, unless it's just a random naming coincidence... I mean, I can't think of anyone else off the top of my head that was named Ed/Ned or anything close enough to bear nick-naming them as such other than Eddard Stark. hrmm.. I almost think he’d have to be, unless it’s just a random naming coincidence… I mean, I can’t think of anyone else off the top of my head that was named Ed/Ned or anything close enough to bear nick-naming them as such other than Eddard Stark.

]]> By: Pete http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1063 Pete Thu, 04 Oct 2007 00:59:06 +0000 http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1063 I just came across the interesting tidbit that the heir of the Daynes, who is with Beric Dondarrion in the Riverlands, is named Ned. I wonder if he's named after ned Stark? I just came across the interesting tidbit that the heir of the Daynes, who is with Beric Dondarrion in the Riverlands, is named Ned. I wonder if he’s named after ned Stark?

]]> By: Durmiun/Jason http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1065 Durmiun/Jason Tue, 02 Oct 2007 22:25:29 +0000 http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1065 (CONTINUED SPOILER WARNING) I prefer to think that it is Rhaegar + Lyana. I haven't gotten to the part about the dream again yet, but from what I remember, that seems to have the most evidence for it as far as I'm concerned. The only other evidence I remember for the Stark + Dayne theory besides the story was the fact, way back in the beginning of A Game of Thrones, that someone (I think it was Jon or Catelyn.. I just read this yesterday and forgot already > (CONTINUED SPOILER WARNING)

I prefer to think that it is Rhaegar + Lyana. I haven’t gotten to the part about the dream again yet, but from what I remember, that seems to have the most evidence for it as far as I’m concerned. The only other evidence I remember for the Stark + Dayne theory besides the story was the fact, way back in the beginning of A Game of Thrones, that someone (I think it was Jon or Catelyn.. I just read this yesterday and forgot already >

]]> By: clsheppard http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1064 clsheppard Tue, 02 Oct 2007 21:10:15 +0000 http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1064 LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA! LA!

]]> By: Pete http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1069 Pete Tue, 02 Oct 2007 20:42:45 +0000 http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1069 Bottom line, Jason: (Chris, don't read. There are MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS below.) There are multiple possibilities: Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon Snow I love this possibility. It is hinted at that the thing that made Robert Baratheon angry enough to go to war was Lyanna, not the excesses of the then-Targaryen King Aerys. This is hinted at in a Brandon Stark chapter in <i>A Storm of Swords</i> when Meera tells Bran the story of "The Knight of the Laughing Tree." This is also VERY consistent with Ned Stark's character. I have a hard time believing that he would dishonor himself with anyone, so if the child were his sister's, then that would be good. There's also the nightmare that Ned has of "The Tower of Joy" which is defended by members of the Kingsguard. In it, Ned and Howland Reed (with other Northman) prevail, only for Ned to see images of his sister's face saying "Promise me, Ned." Ned Stark + Ashara Dayne = Jon Snow Unfortunately, this is <i>also</i> hinted at in the same story mentioned above. Ned seems to have a crush on Ashara Dayne, and that is told very pointedly in the course of the story. Would Ned dishonor himself? I don't think so, but Jon Snow is paralleling his father's development, and <i>he</i> does. Robb Stark does also with Jeyne Westerling. So who knows? Ned Stark + Lyanna = Jon Snow No way this happened. No way. Ned Stark + Random Whore = Jon Snow Given in A Feast For Crows by Jon Snow's wetnurse, who meets a point of view character in the Riverlands. The circumstances surrounding the revelation seem suspect. This is even less likely thatn Ned and Ashara Dayne. If Ned did indeed dishonor himself, it would be with a woman he loved, not a random camp follower. Bottom line, Jason:

(Chris, don’t read. There are MAJOR MAJOR MAJOR SPOILERS below.)

There are multiple possibilities:

Rhaegar + Lyanna = Jon Snow

I love this possibility. It is hinted at that the thing that made Robert Baratheon angry enough to go to war was Lyanna, not the excesses of the then-Targaryen King Aerys. This is hinted at in a Brandon Stark chapter in A Storm of Swords when Meera tells Bran the story of “The Knight of the Laughing Tree.” This is also VERY consistent with Ned Stark’s character. I have a hard time believing that he would dishonor himself with anyone, so if the child were his sister’s, then that would be good. There’s also the nightmare that Ned has of “The Tower of Joy” which is defended by members of the Kingsguard. In it, Ned and Howland Reed (with other Northman) prevail, only for Ned to see images of his sister’s face saying “Promise me, Ned.”

Ned Stark + Ashara Dayne = Jon Snow

Unfortunately, this is also hinted at in the same story mentioned above. Ned seems to have a crush on Ashara Dayne, and that is told very pointedly in the course of the story. Would Ned dishonor himself? I don’t think so, but Jon Snow is paralleling his father’s development, and he does. Robb Stark does also with Jeyne Westerling. So who knows?

Ned Stark + Lyanna = Jon Snow

No way this happened. No way.

Ned Stark + Random Whore = Jon Snow

Given in A Feast For Crows by Jon Snow’s wetnurse, who meets a point of view character in the Riverlands. The circumstances surrounding the revelation seem suspect. This is even less likely thatn Ned and Ashara Dayne. If Ned did indeed dishonor himself, it would be with a woman he loved, not a random camp follower.

]]> By: Durmiun/Jason http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1068 Durmiun/Jason Tue, 02 Oct 2007 12:07:12 +0000 http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1068 lollers. I actually started re-reading this as my "I need something to do at work" book this week. About half-way through A Game of Thrones. I forgot how much I liked his characters. I was reading some of the Jon Snow/Catelyn/Eddard passages, looking for clues to Snow's parentage, based off the last time we'd talked about it lol. lollers. I actually started re-reading this as my “I need something to do at work” book this week. About half-way through A Game of Thrones. I forgot how much I liked his characters. I was reading some of the Jon Snow/Catelyn/Eddard passages, looking for clues to Snow’s parentage, based off the last time we’d talked about it lol.

]]> By: Pete http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1067 Pete Tue, 02 Oct 2007 01:21:09 +0000 http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1067 Maybe you should finish the four books before you make any predictions. :) Maybe you should finish the four books before you make any predictions. :)

]]> By: Foxbat http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1066 Foxbat Tue, 02 Oct 2007 00:46:45 +0000 http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1066 If anyone is going to hang around for awhile in this series, it'll be Tywin. Martin has no qualms on knocking off characters; he did it in Wild Cards and he's done it in TSOIAF, but I would be amazed if Tywin bites it anytime soon. I was glad he ditched Catelyn Stark, olny to be 'very' disappointed that he drug her back out...but oh well, it's his story, not mine. If anyone is going to hang around for awhile in this series, it’ll be Tywin.

Martin has no qualms on knocking off characters; he did it in Wild Cards and he’s done it in TSOIAF, but I would be amazed if Tywin bites it anytime soon. I was glad he ditched Catelyn Stark, olny to be ‘very’ disappointed that he drug her back out…but oh well, it’s his story, not mine.

]]> By: Chris Sheppard http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1070 Chris Sheppard Mon, 01 Oct 2007 18:58:21 +0000 http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/09/30/the-random-update-18/#comment-1070 Drop me a line (email of phone) if you are ever looking for some hot Team Fortress 2 action. I'm new to this particular sub-genre of games. It's not much different than World of Warcraft's Battlegrounds, but there are some undocumented strategies I've yet to uncover. That is to say: Imanoob. I expect I could learn a great deal from playing with you. Pete isn't blowing A Song of Ice and Fire out of proportion. I'm a good way through the second book in the series and I suspect this may be the finest fantasy book I've ever read. I was cautious at first. The series is long and I suspected the collectible card game was a sign the author would sell out his vision to legions of obsessive fans would. I couldn't have been more wrong. These fans (geeky as they may be) came to Martin because his tales read more like a dramatic history than a comic book and I've no reason to think he'll turn from that vision. Here are more of Pete's posts on the topic: <a href="http://www.peter-hodges.com/2006/09/07/petes-must-read-list/" rel="nofollow">Pete's Must Read List</a> <a href="http://www.peter-hodges.com/2007/01/17/a-song-of-ice-and-fire-on-hbo/" rel="nofollow">A Song of Ice and Fire - On HBO!</a> ...now that I am familiar with the series I better understand Pete and Kate's casting call. Nice. Drop me a line (email of phone) if you are ever looking for some hot Team Fortress 2 action. I’m new to this particular sub-genre of games. It’s not much different than World of Warcraft’s Battlegrounds, but there are some undocumented strategies I’ve yet to uncover. That is to say: Imanoob. I expect I could learn a great deal from playing with you.

Pete isn’t blowing A Song of Ice and Fire out of proportion. I’m a good way through the second book in the series and I suspect this may be the finest fantasy book I’ve ever read. I was cautious at first. The series is long and I suspected the collectible card game was a sign the author would sell out his vision to legions of obsessive fans would. I couldn’t have been more wrong. These fans (geeky as they may be) came to Martin because his tales read more like a dramatic history than a comic book and I’ve no reason to think he’ll turn from that vision. Here are more of Pete’s posts on the topic:

Pete’s Must Read List
A Song of Ice and Fire – On HBO!

…now that I am familiar with the series I better understand Pete and Kate’s casting call. Nice.

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