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		<title>By: Dez</title>
		<link>http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/05/14/waterboarding/#comment-3431</link>
		<dc:creator>Dez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 16:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have some definite objections to the video, but would like to hear others voice their opinions before I rip it a new one.

It is apparent to me from this video that this technique, much like the false electrocution scenario, tortures through creating fear, not through anything that could be remotely described as true bodily harm.  Perhaps this is the hair that is split to determine what is an &quot;enhanced&quot; torture technique?  Torture by terror, not by beatings or pain infliction... Even so, I am against this technique.  Though it may be a stretch to so analogize, I liken this to the robber (rapist, kidnapper, etc.) who uses a toy or model gun instead of the real thing.  The victims are still forced to comply under the fear of death or of great bodily harm.  The robber uses such as the false weapon is cheaper to acquire, still exacts the same effect (fear and control) and intended results, and provides a legal loophole should he be captured by law enforcement (there was no intent to cause death or bodily harm, in spite of the obvious assault).

That aside, it reminds me of &quot;Chinese water torture&quot;.  Perhaps it is a variant.  Note the term includes the word &quot;torture&quot;, and that this technique was feared, despite the seemingly innocuous dripping of water upon the victim... there is no threat of drowning, choking, etc. yet torture it remains.

My previous questions still stand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have some definite objections to the video, but would like to hear others voice their opinions before I rip it a new one.</p>
<p>It is apparent to me from this video that this technique, much like the false electrocution scenario, tortures through creating fear, not through anything that could be remotely described as true bodily harm.  Perhaps this is the hair that is split to determine what is an &#8220;enhanced&#8221; torture technique?  Torture by terror, not by beatings or pain infliction&#8230; Even so, I am against this technique.  Though it may be a stretch to so analogize, I liken this to the robber (rapist, kidnapper, etc.) who uses a toy or model gun instead of the real thing.  The victims are still forced to comply under the fear of death or of great bodily harm.  The robber uses such as the false weapon is cheaper to acquire, still exacts the same effect (fear and control) and intended results, and provides a legal loophole should he be captured by law enforcement (there was no intent to cause death or bodily harm, in spite of the obvious assault).</p>
<p>That aside, it reminds me of &#8220;Chinese water torture&#8221;.  Perhaps it is a variant.  Note the term includes the word &#8220;torture&#8221;, and that this technique was feared, despite the seemingly innocuous dripping of water upon the victim&#8230; there is no threat of drowning, choking, etc. yet torture it remains.</p>
<p>My previous questions still stand.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Baker</title>
		<link>http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/05/14/waterboarding/#comment-3430</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Baker</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 15:15:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/30894398#30894398&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Conservative talk show host voluntarily gets water boarded and changes his tune.&lt;/a&gt; Link includes video of him actually being water boarded.

This is coming from the guy who calls Obama a secret Muslim.

&quot;It&#039;s absolutely torture.&quot;

If you can watch this without getting queasy or setting off your panic button, there is something wrong. Those of you sitting in Cheney&#039;s camp insisting this isn&#039;t torture, one of your own had the stones to put his money where his mouth was.

Now imagine being water boarded over 200 times.  Sounds like after 6 seconds Mancow was ready to tell anyone, anything.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/vp/30894398#30894398" rel="nofollow">Conservative talk show host voluntarily gets water boarded and changes his tune.</a> Link includes video of him actually being water boarded.</p>
<p>This is coming from the guy who calls Obama a secret Muslim.</p>
<p>&#8220;It&#8217;s absolutely torture.&#8221;</p>
<p>If you can watch this without getting queasy or setting off your panic button, there is something wrong. Those of you sitting in Cheney&#8217;s camp insisting this isn&#8217;t torture, one of your own had the stones to put his money where his mouth was.</p>
<p>Now imagine being water boarded over 200 times.  Sounds like after 6 seconds Mancow was ready to tell anyone, anything.</p>
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		<title>By: Dez</title>
		<link>http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/05/14/waterboarding/#comment-3429</link>
		<dc:creator>Dez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 14:52:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The topic, for a bit, seemed to stray into Biblical semantics.  Am I to assume that the majority of the commenters take one of the following positions?:

1)  Torture should never be used under any circumstances
or
2)  The needs of the many outweigh the principles of the few

I&#039;d still like to hear what we collectively consider &quot;torture&quot; to be... anyone care to take a stab at a definition?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The topic, for a bit, seemed to stray into Biblical semantics.  Am I to assume that the majority of the commenters take one of the following positions?:</p>
<p>1)  Torture should never be used under any circumstances<br />
or<br />
2)  The needs of the many outweigh the principles of the few</p>
<p>I&#8217;d still like to hear what we collectively consider &#8220;torture&#8221; to be&#8230; anyone care to take a stab at a definition?</p>
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		<title>By: Blitzfike</title>
		<link>http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/05/14/waterboarding/#comment-3428</link>
		<dc:creator>Blitzfike</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 17:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Catalyst, you and I are together on the field expedient methodology. I believe that there should be a &quot;reasonable&quot; amount of time for appeals or new evidence, like  a month or two at most, then do the deed. There will sometimes be innocent people who get caught up in the system, but as the Rurales used to say...
&quot;God will sort the souls...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Catalyst, you and I are together on the field expedient methodology. I believe that there should be a &#8220;reasonable&#8221; amount of time for appeals or new evidence, like  a month or two at most, then do the deed. There will sometimes be innocent people who get caught up in the system, but as the Rurales used to say&#8230;<br />
&#8220;God will sort the souls&#8230;&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: catalyst22</title>
		<link>http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/05/14/waterboarding/#comment-3427</link>
		<dc:creator>catalyst22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 15:45:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tasuja&#039;s ideology is torture!   :P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tasuja&#8217;s ideology is torture!   <img src='http://www.peter-hodges.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: badfun</title>
		<link>http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/05/14/waterboarding/#comment-3426</link>
		<dc:creator>badfun</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 05:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torture works has for maybe a thousand years, you just have to be sure you  have the right person most will say anything to stop the pain. BTW someone should water board Nancy peolsie , I am not kidding :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torture works has for maybe a thousand years, you just have to be sure you  have the right person most will say anything to stop the pain. BTW someone should water board Nancy peolsie , I am not kidding <img src='http://www.peter-hodges.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: tasuja</title>
		<link>http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/05/14/waterboarding/#comment-3425</link>
		<dc:creator>tasuja</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 03:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By soul, to use your terms, I mean &quot;divine spark judged by God&quot;.  As for my theological reasoning for why I would be held accountable for such actions.  I have a hard time reconciling how torturing people would be loving my enemies.

I am not accountable for the actions of others.  I will not be judged by who kills someone.  If I was given a hypothetical where I would have to either kill my wife or my son, I would kill neither, and thier blood is on the hands of those who forced the situation.

To think torturing some will allow us to win this war is folly.  We will never win this war, for with each torture we create 10 more enemies.  We are creating an army, and the more we rage against it, the bigger it will become.

I believe our only chance is with justice and mercy.  Torture is not justice, it is cruelty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By soul, to use your terms, I mean &#8220;divine spark judged by God&#8221;.  As for my theological reasoning for why I would be held accountable for such actions.  I have a hard time reconciling how torturing people would be loving my enemies.</p>
<p>I am not accountable for the actions of others.  I will not be judged by who kills someone.  If I was given a hypothetical where I would have to either kill my wife or my son, I would kill neither, and thier blood is on the hands of those who forced the situation.</p>
<p>To think torturing some will allow us to win this war is folly.  We will never win this war, for with each torture we create 10 more enemies.  We are creating an army, and the more we rage against it, the bigger it will become.</p>
<p>I believe our only chance is with justice and mercy.  Torture is not justice, it is cruelty.</p>
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		<title>By: Catalyst22</title>
		<link>http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/05/14/waterboarding/#comment-3424</link>
		<dc:creator>Catalyst22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 May 2009 01:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I could be wrong in my belief, but the seat of my belief in capital punishment rests heavily in the below verses.  I think it might be interesting to any Christians passing by :)

ACTS 25:6 &quot;And when he had remained among them more than ten days, he went down to Caesarea. And the next day, sitting on the judgment seat, he commanded Paul to be brought. 7 When he had come, the Jews who had come down from Jerusalem stood about and laid many serious complaints against Paul, which they could not prove, 8 while he answered for himself, “Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all.”
9 But Festus, wanting to do the Jews a favor, answered Paul and said, “Are you willing to go up to Jerusalem and there be judged before me concerning these things?”
10 So Paul said, “I stand at Caesar’s judgment seat, where I ought to be judged. To the Jews I have done no wrong, as you very well know. 11 For if I am an offender, or have committed anything deserving of death, I do not object to dying; but if there is nothing in these things of which these men accuse me, no one can deliver me to them.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I could be wrong in my belief, but the seat of my belief in capital punishment rests heavily in the below verses.  I think it might be interesting to any Christians passing by <img src='http://www.peter-hodges.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>ACTS 25:6 &#8220;And when he had remained among them more than ten days, he went down to Caesarea. And the next day, sitting on the judgment seat, he commanded Paul to be brought. 7 When he had come, the Jews who had come down from Jerusalem stood about and laid many serious complaints against Paul, which they could not prove, 8 while he answered for himself, “Neither against the law of the Jews, nor against the temple, nor against Caesar have I offended in anything at all.”<br />
9 But Festus, wanting to do the Jews a favor, answered Paul and said, “Are you willing to go up to Jerusalem and there be judged before me concerning these things?”<br />
10 So Paul said, “I stand at Caesar’s judgment seat, where I ought to be judged. To the Jews I have done no wrong, as you very well know. 11 For if I am an offender, or have committed anything deserving of death, I do not object to dying; but if there is nothing in these things of which these men accuse me, no one can deliver me to them.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Tom Kratman</title>
		<link>http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/05/14/waterboarding/#comment-3423</link>
		<dc:creator>Tom Kratman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 20:58:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What do you mean by soul?  The expression is used for everything from how one feels about oneself to that divine spark judged by God or reincarnated by whatever.  If you are referring to the latter two, what is your basis, theological or otherwise, for believing that the soul is held accountable only for what it does, rather than for what it does _and_ what it had the power to prevent but failed to?  If you don&#039;t have an answer for that, then try rephrasing your original question as: &quot;What matter if a man keep his hands clean in this life, and lose his soul in the next for his wilful or negligant failure to prevent evil it was in his power to prevent?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What do you mean by soul?  The expression is used for everything from how one feels about oneself to that divine spark judged by God or reincarnated by whatever.  If you are referring to the latter two, what is your basis, theological or otherwise, for believing that the soul is held accountable only for what it does, rather than for what it does _and_ what it had the power to prevent but failed to?  If you don&#8217;t have an answer for that, then try rephrasing your original question as: &#8220;What matter if a man keep his hands clean in this life, and lose his soul in the next for his wilful or negligant failure to prevent evil it was in his power to prevent?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: catalyst22</title>
		<link>http://www.peter-hodges.com/2009/05/14/waterboarding/#comment-3422</link>
		<dc:creator>catalyst22</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 18 May 2009 18:27:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to say that Tasuja is a smelly liberal...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to say that Tasuja is a smelly liberal&#8230;</p>
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